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07.09.26

15M users, 20 people, and a new role for agents - the thinking behind the switch

What if the apps posting the best revenue screenshots are the ones nobody actually uses? In this episode of Growth by Design, we sit down with Seth Miller, founder and CEO of Rapchat, who spent 13 years building a consumer music app to 15M+ users and 100M+ raps recorded — then rebuilt the whole operation around AI agents. Drawing on a decade of consumer app building, a Series A, and the decision to get off the VC treadmill, Seth unpacks how to tell when your product has hit its ceiling, why UA-dependent businesses are more fragile than they look, and what changes when agents ship you TestFlights every day.

What you'll learn

  • How to find your product's ceiling and floor — and why most founders refuse to look

  • Why "a lot of apps that don't get used make a lot of money" — and why that's a fragile business

  • What's left to fall back on when a UA channel dries up or a store policy shifts

  • Building from zero with agents: the stack, the harness, and validating an alpha in three days

  • Build vs. buy across Superwall, RevenueCat and OneSignal — and why the contextual layer matters more than the tool

Timestamps

00:00
Intro
00:52
Meet Seth — from a college dorm to 15M users
04:29
Getting off the VC treadmill — 8 years to first revenue
08:39
"Apps that don't get used that make a lot of money"
10:40
UA-dependent companies and the day the toggle flips
12:24
Starting from zero again — building with agents
15:27
Validating with three days of paid traffic
18:29
The stack: Mac Studio, Codex & a personal agent harness
23:20
Build vs. buy — why the contextual layer is what matters
25:49
Where humans stay in the loop
28:07
How to spot a vibe-coded app
31:34
80 onboarding screens and a product that doesn't work
34:41
The one question Seth asks every founder
38:26
Being 10 years early: Suno, Udio & the cost of conviction
42:54
Text-to-song churn and "the reward of the creation"
49:52
Planning when agents ship TestFlights daily

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