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Growth by Design

Conversations about how the world's best apps grow – with the founders, product leaders, and growth teams behind them. Real systems, real experiments, real lessons.

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S1 E4

04.05.26

Hanna Grevelius (CPO at Bruce Studios) on why simpler — even "ugly" — paywalls often outperform polished ones, and how teams get misled by metrics.

About the show

Growth by Design is a podcast for founders, product leaders, and growth teams who want to understand how the world's best apps grow — intentionally, systematically, and sustainably.

We sit down with performance marketers, product builders, researchers, and founders to explore what actually works behind the scenes: the experiments, the systems, the failures, and the turning points.

No hype. No overnight success stories. Just real conversations about building apps that grow by design — not by chance.

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